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Re: [swikig] semarbtri help request

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  • From: "Uschold, Michael F" <michael.f.uschold AT>
  • To: "Kelly Jones" <kelly.terry.jones AT>, <mediawiki-l AT>, <semediawiki-user AT>, <swikig AT>
  • Cc: David Huynh <dfhuynh AT>
  • Subject: Re: [swikig] semarbtri help request
  • Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:57:21 -0700
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Adding to my earlier comment...

It is interesting that you have just done this, despite numerous
arguments about why/how it could not or should not be done. I was never
competent to evaluate those arguments from a programmer/ software
engineer's perspective, but I never bought them from a user perspective.

This raises some questions:
* how to you address those arguments? (from past forum entries)
* are there any tradeoffs from a user or developer's perspective? (which
in a sense patially validate those arguments)


-----Original Message-----
From: Uschold, Michael F
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:25 PM
To: Kelly Jones;
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Cc: David Huynh
Subject: Re: [swikig] semarbtri help request

FANTASTIC! Kudos to you for figuring out a way to do this.

Here's an idea: why not integrate the triples viewing capabilities of
Similes' Exhibit ( into the bottom of the
Semantic Media Wiki page as an alternative to the table of triples.
Possibly as a link to a separate window, or possibly embedded into the
wiki page itself (which may be much harder).


Michael Uschold
M&CT, Phantom Works
425 373-2845
michael.f.uschold AT

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-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Jones
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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:37 PM
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Subject: [swikig] semarbtri help request

I've now created a test site for a semantic MediaWiki that lets you put
the triple (x,R,y) anywhere, not just on page x:

The code is available:

The syntax for a triple is "[[x::R::y]]" (or just "[[R::y]]" if you're
already on page x).

Broken things I'd like help with:

% When editing an existing page, all the semantic info vanishes.

The first page has semantic info, the second doesn't. My extension does
have a "in edit mode, don't display semantic data" comment + some
supporting code, but commenting out this code doesn't help.

% When editing a new page, semantic info is visible, but unformatted:

% If I try to protect against spammers by adding this to

$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;

the semantic info disappears when you're viewing new (non-existent)
pages. I've commented this setting out for now (so I can't give an
example page of where this happens), but I'd like to get this fixed.

% Minor: my code breaks the "nowiki" tag (so the main page says
"((x::R::y))" instead of "[[x::R::y]]" when giving an example)

% Minor: weird empty semantic triple at the bottom of some pages:

(am I doing the MySQL SELECT wrong?)

% These are the "big" errors. There are many smaller errors + lots of
features I want to add.

Any volunteers? No CVS or anything yet (the page is not
up-to-date), but please send suggestions/code improvements.

We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to
understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new
ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile.

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